Summary Minutes
RAC Members Present:
Crestina
James
Bailey
Philip
Don Cantu
Mickey
Chirigos
John
Hand
Mark
Marley
Robert
Moquino
Anthony
Popp
Don
Tripp
RAC Members Absent:
Max
Cordova
Michael
Eisenfeld
Gretchen
Sammis
Joe
Stell
Designated Federal Official:
Linda
Rundell
BLM Staff:
Bob
Alexander, NMSO
Sam
DesGeorges,
Ron
Dunton, NMSO
Rand French,
Steve Henke,
Theresa Herrera, NMSO
Joe Lara,
Armando
Lopez,
Jim McCormick, Las Cruces FO
Kate Padilla, Socorro FO
Howard Parman,
Ed Roberson, Las Cruces FO
Ed Ryan,
Paul Sawyer,
Ed Singleton, Albuquerque FO
Jim Stovall, Las Cruces FO
Hans Stuart, NMSO
Leslie Theiss,
Scribe:
Karen Meadows
JUNE 8 FIELD TRIP
The Las Cruces Field Office hosted the Field Trip (Attachment
1). RAC members in
attendance were Crestina
Trujillo-Armstrong, Jim Bailey, Philip Cantu, Mickey Chirigos, John Hand,
Meade Kemrer, Mark
Marley, Raye Miller, Robert Moquino,
Anthony Popp, and Don Tripp. BLM
attendees
were Linda Rundell, Theresa Herrera, Ed Roberson, Sam Desgeorges, and Ed
Singleton.
The Field Trip included
Community Pit #1 Rock Quarry, College Ranch/Dona Ana Mountain Land Exchange,
urban interface Area, A Mountain, and Organ Mountains/Land Exchange.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Tony
opened the Public Comment Period at
Sandy
Schemnitz, SW Consolidated Sportsmen (SWCS)
Dr. Schemnitz said SWCS represents 15
different fish and wildlife clubs and has 1,500 members. Its main objective is to maintain and enhance
wildlife habitat. He asked the RAC’s official
position on O&G leasing on Otero Mesa.
Tony said the RAC has no official position; and recommended that Dr.
Schemnitz talk to individual RAC members.
SWCS is concerned with managing OHVs to
decrease habitat destruction and poaching.
Public lands need more stringent regulations and enforcement. OHVs should be restricted to designated
roads. USFS is considering adopting a
regulation that all roads are closed unless designated open. When he visited with BLM Director Kathleen
Clarke, she said BLM is instituting that policy in
Dr. Schemnitz was a RAC member in
the 1990s. SWCS supports the RAC and
hopes it will continue. A lot of good
work has been accomplished, but much remains to be done. A program in the wind they’re concerned about
has good potential for retirement of grazing option buyouts. That might solve some problems with mixed
state/federal ownership. Many grazing
leases are in good shape and should continue under current owners. Problems with public land users of all kinds
arise from not being sure where the boundaries are. That also leads to trespassing on private
lands. SWCS wants increased posting on
BLM lands and better maps. Hopefully as
funds are available, RAC will encourage that effort. He is glad for the new law enforcement ranger
in Deming. BLM needs better
more-intensive law efforts for those millions of acres.
Dr. Schemnitz said he would like to see
RAC and BLM give more support to public recreation uses on
SWCS supports BLM efforts to curtail
proliferation of exotic big game and is pleased with enhancement of the desert
bighorn sheep. Members are active where
RMPs are being amended for Dona Ana, Otero, and Sierra counties so there will
be updated wildlife considerations. He
hears rumors that
Concerning Otero Mesa, he believes the
current O&G proposal will cause considerable habitat loss, vegetative
devastation and roads that encourage illegal activities. SWCS would like to see Otero Mesa declared a
national conservation area. Members
support Governor Richardson’s proposals.
Dr. Schemnitz suggested that BLM minimize open pits. A recent study suggested that fractured rocks
that would allow spread of pollutants to contaminate water underlie much of
Otero Mesa. There is now about 13 years
of water stored in that area, enough for 1 million people, and he hopes that
will be protected. Because of present
and potential activity on state and private lands, it is even more important
that this last large section of Chihuahuan desert grassland be protected on
federal land.
Concerning land trades, his
organization doesn’t mind BLM trading small acreage that’s hard to manage, but
does not favor trading large areas that would promote urban sprawl. A lot of the problems of concern in the 1990s
when he was on the RAC continue to be explored and some progress made. SWCS members consider themselves
partners with BLM, and are frequently involved in projects of support for BLM
policies and programs. He is pleased to
have Linda Rundell back in
Question/Answer/Comment
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On signing of public lands, how happy is SWCS with land
status maps? Those too need
updating. Linda said after numerous
changes they are being updated on a prioritized list. For popular recreation areas, BLM includes
addenda when maps are distributed.
·
Contact USGS mapping division in
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What makes SWCS think a rancher wants to buy out her own
federal grazing allowance? Crestina
doesn’t make any money from livestock on her ranch. Dr. Schemnitz asked that ranchers explore
that opportunity, because there are both benefits and problems.
·
RAC developed Recommendations
on OHVs (
·
Dr. Schemnitz said recent legislation would have helped but
didn’t pass, so RAC needs to work with the legislature.
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The
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Tony invited all to take part in the
Tony suggested that remaining questions
and comments be held until all speakers finished.
Jim Steitz,
Southwest Environmental Center (SWEC)
Mr. Steitz said he had lived in NM for
nine months. In
We
understand that public comment is not a voting process, but BLM needs to take
into account that public comment did not bring about the recent changes. There are deep concerns about where the
political direction for the process is coming from. We are told that this is a local plan but
that is less and less plausible. This
obviously reflects the Bush administration.
The appearance that
Data indicate that the economic benefit
of O&G drilling on Otero Mesa would be negligible,
therefore we can only think that this is the administration drawing a line in
the sand, saying, “We will drill where we want.” The
SWEC members have written emotional
letters to BLM. Petitions for protection
were signed by 2,000-3,000 people in the
Jim said, “We plead with BLM to let
this one go.” We understand that there
is demand out there and expectation for multiple use. Let this one go. At least go back to some of the very good
ideas in the draft. SWEC would prefer
that the entire area be released from O&G leasing. Don’t continue with this final EIS to prove
that BLM is following national policy.
He urged the RAC to attempt to restore integrity to the Otero Mesa
process.
Sandy Geiger
Ms. Geiger said she would share a
personal note about the process that BLM undertakes in
She has had personal experience with
two properties disposed of by BLM.
Interface is crucial and at the time those two more-than-300-acre
properties were released it was understood that the city and county would take
over planning for them. It has been a
painful process for all involved. City
and county planners and the developer wanted it to go smoothly, but
NM is creeping toward a comprehensive
plan as law rather than advisory. Heads
up for BLM to look carefully at land disposed of to assure that it fits into
comprehensive plans. She showed a copy
of a map with a 5-mile radius extraterritorial zone around
In 1989 on the west mesa a
steeply-sloped escarpment south of I-10 was traded, removing access to land to
the west.
Anna Underwood
Ms. Underwood said she has wanted to
talk to BLM for quite a while about one area due west of her home in the
She went to the congressional
meeting about Otero Mesa in
LaDonna
Gammell
Ms. Gammell said she is new to
Richard Magee,
Dona Ana Archaeological Society, Southwest Environmental Center
Mr. Magee has lived in southern NM for
nine years, and served several terms as president of Dona Ana Archaeological
Society. He receives a monthly royalty
from Chesapeake Gas Co-op for his family ranch in TX. But his father opposed the drilling and his
last months of life were made miserable by the compressors’ constant
noise. That area was pastoral, devoted
to dairy, but roads accessing the well pads now dominate the landscape. County roads have been messed up. Environmental disruption has been
dramatic. A lot of us come to NM because
it is a historical cultural land. It is
special, and one of the places the Dona Ana Archaeological Society takes people
is Otero Mesa. Early peoples trod
lightly, leaving petroglyphs but little disturbance. People go out to Otero Mesa looking for a
peaceful serene experience that he is afraid will be disrupted.
Jeremy
Garncarz, the Wilderness Society’s BLM Action Team
Mr. Garncarz is based in
He asked, “What is the role of the RAC
in the upcoming RMP process?”
Adaptive management is a term seen more
and more, but will we get to a point of defining what that is—with
specifics? Socioeconomic analysis was
used in the plan. How will that be
shaped, and will it involve public participation? What model will be used, e.g., Sonoran
Institute? Is there tribal
planning? His idea is to engage the
public in these processes ASAP and establish communication between public and
agencies.
·
How is the BLM action team funded? It’s a branch of the Wilderness Society. He is a paid staffer.
·
Raye said the RAC looked at the Otero Mesa Sierra Club plan
amendment, and probably caused delay in the process while they considered ways
to mediate between interest groups for a compromised plan. In 2001, the mediator hired by the BLM
interviewed representatives of all sides and reported that there was such
diverse polarization that she did not feel mediation would be effective. So the RAC has made attempts to come to a
better plan.
·
Two disposals are currently being looked at, one sale and
one trade, so we suggest talking to Las Cruces FO, becoming involved in the
upcoming plan and getting on the mailing list.
·
The community pit and rock quarry was visited on the RAC
field trip. It provides necessary
materials for the area but does pose issues for reclamation and
management. Work with Las Cruces
FO.
·
The
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The black scar around well pads on Otero Mesa is probably
where they reseeded, but there has been no rainy season. Check with Las Cruces FO. Those pads are very large, included living
quarters, which is no longer necessary so pads now would be smaller.
·
Does the company drilling have to prove why they want to
drill there? No.
·
The person objecting therefore becomes the defendant.
·
The time to object is during the planning process.
·
There are quite a few leases in effect now on Otero Mesa and
those companies have rights to drill.
One company drilled two wells in Crow Flats within the last year. They were unsuccessful, have been plugged and
will undergo reclamation.
·
In the TX example used by Mr. Magee, what was the density of
wells, and how far away was the noise bothersome or detectable? It was pretty dense¾he guessed 5-6
wells/sq. mile. The most bothersome
compressor was about 1/4 mile away from his home, across a county road on
someone else’s property.
·
Tony thanked all that attended and invited them to speak
individually with RAC members. He closed
the comment period at
JUNE 9 RAC MEETING
Tony called the meeting to order at
Linda thought the field trip,
particularly examples of urban interface, was very helpful. Issues are always difficult, and she asked
for insight from members on what was seen and heard on the trip and from the
public. In government, she said election
years are considered a “silly” time and very contentious. BLM will take shots across the bows, and has
to buck up, listen and go on. She
mentioned a full-page paid photo advertisement in the Albuquerque Journal of a well site in the Loco Hills near Artesia,
with inference that this is what will come of Otero Mesa. Leslie investigated and found the site. The picture was taken after 9” of rain
breached the berms. She called the
operator and asked that it be cleaned up, which it was. The Albuquerque
Journal was called in an effort to turn the ad into a positive, but did not
respond. She has been working since the
fall RAC meeting to draft and close some legacy issues, including removing old
power lines and closing some roads. Ron
Dunton applied $1,000 seed money and will actively work on sites dating back to
the 1920s when reclamation was not a big issue.
BLM still has 15,000 old sites, some of which need work. It will take time and BLM is starting with
the biggest issues.
There have been quite a few management
changes. The
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Crestina thought the field trip was an eye opener and very
affirmative.
·
Bob Moquino said he would talk with people on his
reservation about some of the vegetative information received on the field
trip.
·
The field trip showed how many problems BLM has that have
nothing to do with grazing.
·
Have concerned groups offered matching funds to solve some
of the problems?
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Raye said the reclamation work group sees opportunity to
enlist help while industry is focused on the problem. He likes getting people to volunteer better
than matching funds.
·
The Albuquerque
Journal ad cost $5,900 that could have been used for reclamation.
·
BLM employees are knowledgeable about the history and
geology of the area.
·
Jim suggested developing a reclamation showplace and using
the same tactic to show people what is often done right. Linda said some media representatives have
recently been shown such sites.
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Meade plans to work on the RMP amendment, and issues heard
during public comment were useful.
·
RAC members were impressed with the mayor’s remarks and
progressive attitude on the field trip.
·
It is important that BLM listen to local people, industries
and those affected.
·
Tony asked that RAC members comment on the handbook distributed
at the national RAC leaders meeting.
APPROVAL OF RAC MINUTES FROM ARTESIA FEBRUARY 2004 (Attachment 3)
Motion
Crestina
moved to approve the minutes as distributed.
Don seconded. Motion approved.
INTRODUCTION
TO RAC PROCESS (Attachment 4)
Raye Miller,
RAC Vice-Chair
The RAC handbook is intended as an
orientation for new members. We need to
list what should be included, including state and local sections. Raye first highlighted the memo stating that
there will be no new WSAs, and a toolbox for maintaining current WSAs.
This RAC discussed whether to lobby
congressional delegates to release or designate WSAs. When Raye and former RAC member Cliff Larsen
could not even agree which of the existing WSAs should be designated, they
recommended that the RAC not take on WSAs.
NV has asked individual counties to review existing WSAs and decide what
should be designated or released.
Counties have then gone to their congressional delegations, and because
it came from the local level, congressional delegates have supported their
recommendations. Even if WSAs are not
delegated wilderness, BLM can still manage them in a protective way.
New grazing regulations allow for
shared title of improvements on leased public land, with a phase-in over a
five-year period if changes are greater than 10%. This requires monitoring and assessment of
land health and reduces public involvement in day-to-day grazing management,
e.g., deciding on rotational pasture without sending
out 46 notices. He emphasized the 3Cs. The proposal goes to the offices of
management and budget in July, leading to a December 2004 effective date. So ranchers who want to object better act
now.
The RAC in past talked about Sustaining
Working Landscape, but that concept was not easily understandable and has been
shelved.
The appraisal system for land exchanges
is complex and
Tony asked for comment on whether
working-group meetings need Federal
Register notice. Every RAC at the
national meeting except NM thought working subgroups were exempt from Federal Register notice. In NM a suit was filed when working groups
addressing controversial issues convened without Federal Register notice.
Linda said
Failure to get timely RAC appointments
is another problem. Too many people in
the
There was discussion about a multi-year
permit process for annual events, with the caveat that noncompliance would lead
to revocation.
In response to Kathleen Clarke’s
request, Raye suggested that RAC members point out ways that BLM can do
anything easier, better, more simply.
Budget 101 was provided for RAC leaders
at the national meeting, and Raye explained that budgeting is a continuous
cycle of planning this year for the next two years.
The NVRAC came up with OHV guidelines,
admitting that it looked at everyone else’s and did its own. They spent half a day discussing road
definition, as NMRAC did, and their final product looks like a mirror image of
NM’s. Each RAC seems to have to go
through its own process.
Should RAC members exclude themselves
from discussion of issues directly related to the group they represent? Consensus was that they should take part in
discussion but consider abstaining from vote.
“Interested party” is a general term that may not indicate
conflict. Tony thought the RAC would
never be involved in an issue so specific that it would affect an individual
member. The RAC makes policy recommendations,
so he’s not sure this is important. Raye
said he was asked whether his company was intending to lease land on Otero Mesa
when he became involved in the working group considering Otero Mesa. Discussion continued.
Members were
asked to consider effectiveness of a statewide RAC versus more than one
regional RAC. Regional RACs travel less
and meet for a shorter time, with less need for field trips. Issues would be more burning. There would be greater opportunity for public
participation with 36-45 RAC members.
The regional RACs could meet jointly annually. The charter would have to be amended.
Most of the RAC chairs Raye met were
serving repeat terms. NMRAC
traditionally does not reappoint members, which is appropriate if there
continues to be just one RAC. However,
continuity provides history and precludes revisiting past efforts.
He asked for feedback on whether RAC
should consider instituting regional RACs:
·
Staff time was considered.
·
A statewide RAC looks at overall polices and there is
exchange of ideas over a broader area.
·
Many times, statewide issues have local application.
·
There is adequate diversity regionally.
·
Prime benefit is inclusion of more people.
·
Regional RACs can work more closely with FOs, but broader
scope may be lost. It de-politicizes the
RAC process.
Jim asked for staff feedback regarding
grazing guidelines. How would they
affect resource protection and flexibility?
If monitoring and analysis are based on trends before changes could be
made, what does that mean? He thought
self-monitoring was involved. Bob said
regulations might cover the same subject in a number of locations. There are provisions and authority to take
care of emergency situations like insects, drought, fire, and endangered
species. But in most cases BLM doesn’t
know in absolutes what will happen when a change is made. So change is made and then monitored, and
decisions are spaced out to respond to what happens. This was done in the 1970s and 1980s, so is
not something new. Self-monitoring has
never been part of the proposal. Making
significant changes without data doesn’t hold up well. You may know what the situation is but not
why, so monitoring for data over time makes sense.
Does BLM have funding and staff to
monitor? Professional management may
know what to do without monitoring, and waiting for monitoring doesn’t always
work. Monitoring dollars are allocated
to areas of need. Indicators of rangeland
health identify where monitoring is needed; and it doesn’t take a number of
years to qualify as monitoring.
The public comment period is closed,
with final EIS in September, final ruling in October, going
into effect in December. Jim said none
of the reasons for instituting these changes had to do with problems on the land. They were problems with getting things
implemented, and effects on ranchers.
That made him skeptical. We have
problems on the land, he said, and endangered species in our grasslands, yet
that’s not recognized.
Further conversation was postponed until
the following morning. Raye said he
would send a draft based on what he heard to RAC members for comment. Tony asked that a running list be kept.
RANCHER
MONITORING (Attachment
5)
Ed Roberson,
Las Cruces FO Manager
Bob Alexander,
NMSO
Bebo Lee, President,
NM Cattlegrowers Association, BLM Permittee
Mike
Casabonne, NM Public Lands Council, BLM Permittee
Ed Roberson