Summary
Minutes
Artesia
RAC Members Present:
Crestina
Max
Cordova
James
Bailey
John
Hand
Robert
Moquino
Anthony
Popp
Joe
Stell
Don
Tripp
RAC Members Absent:
Mickey
Chirigos
Michael
Eisenfeld
Gretchen
Sammis
Designated Federal Official:
Linda
Rundell
Chairperson:
Wayne
Price
BLM Staff:
Bill
Condit, NMSO
Greg
Costinas,
Ron
Dunton, NMSO
Stephen Fosberg, NMSO
Steve Henke,
Theresa Herrera, NMSO
Pat Hester, Albuquerque FO
Ron
Huntsinger,
Jan
Hurley, Las Cruces FO
Joe Lara,
Jim McCormick, Las Cruces FO
Kate Padilla, Socorro FO
Tom Phillips, Las Cruces FO
Ed Roberson,
Ed Singleton, Albuquerque FO
Hans Stuart, NMSO
Leslie Theiss,
Scribe:
Karen Meadows
FEBRUARY 25 FIELD TRIP (Attachment
1)
Due to a serious winter storm throughout
much of the state, the field trip was canceled.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Tony
opened the Public Comment Period at
Mike Casabonne, NM Public Lands Council, Hope
Mr.
Casabonne said he appreciated the RAC’s presence in Artesia. He had not prepared to speak, but said he is
interested in proposed grazing regulations and that his organization, along
with livestock organizations, would have a substantive recommendation. Some of the proposed regulations will be
beneficial to the livestock industry, but there are enemies of the proposals. He hopes the livestock industry will be
better able to work with BLM in the future.
He thinks things can still be done better than what has been proposed,
because these regulations don’t allow total ownership by permittees. Although they propose cooperative agreement
ownership, when government still owns a share, it is hard for ranchers to use
improvements as collateral.
Linda
asked whether the Section 4 Permit took a change in regulations or had been
decided in policy during the previous administration. He said it was changed by regulation as part
of Rangeland ...94¾that
BLM wouldn’t recognize further ownership on improvements. The proposed regulations do provide
further ownership of improvements.
Theoretically, if a permittee invested 100% he would own 100%, but that
is still considered a cooperative agreement, and makes a difference to
financial institutions. When permits
are transferred, the value of the improvement is transferred. On most water-based public lands, ranches are
intermingled public/private and are considered one unit. Therefore they can’t be separated when bought
or sold. All is done as a unit and
improvements are an important part of the ranch’s value. Ownership can affect ranchers’ ability to
finance, and their economic liability.
Judge Zimmer said it was up to the Secretary of the Interior’s
discretion, and Mike thinks it is still possible for the Interior Department to
change regulations.
Drought
has impacted everything about public lands, especially livestock. Most ranchers have reduced the number of cattle
they’re running. They are affected by
Endangered Species Act conflicts and would like BLM help with that.
Jim
Bailey asked him to describe endangered species conflicts. He said the primary conflict is over lesser
prairie chicken habitat on the east side of the state. That issue will be trouble if it continues as
it’s going. Aplomado falcon is
potentially problematic, as well as anything where habitat would be set aside.
Lewis Derrick, NM Cattlegrowers
Association Federal Lands Committee & Conflict Resolution Committee,
Mr.
Derrick met with Jim and others to work out resolutions for stakeholders. He is looking for incentives to address loss
of livestock, and has met with O&G representatives. Nothing has surfaced at this point. Any conservation plan needs incentives or we
might as well forget it.
The
way it’s going, 98% of the ranchers in the area think the drought will break
them. He looked at Farm Service Agency
drought assistance, but said ranchers get punished by reduced use of their
ranches. Cattlegrowers are working on
language that is more helpful to livestock operators for the millions of
dollars that have been set aside for livestock drought assistance. Those funds might be more possible than a special
appropriation. He thinks we’re missing
some things, maybe an offshore drilling arrangement. But there’s not a whole lot of push to get
something done. Drought funds are being
used to buy up property but not for incentives.
NM
Cattlegrowers committees have made progress in some areas and meetings
continue. We ought to work on the Otero
Mesa deal to resolve conflicts. Maybe we
could get ranking representatives down in this part of the state and have some
resolution. Conflicts include not keeping
up roads, and moving caliche off one location to another—then they’re in
conflict with counties. There are a lot
of cattlegrowers scattered through the area, and in some places 15-20 operators
go through an area but nobody claims a cattleguard so it isn’t maintained. He would like to get those O&G operators
to sign agreements, and maybe form a pool of all in that area—with a special
contact for ranchers. Shortcuts to locations
make more roads. OCD and the state are
included in discussions of these conflicting issues.
Don
asked how many operators cause problems.
Depends on the problem.
Cattleguards seem to affect most.
Some O&G operators are working on stopping shortcuts. He sees improvements. The state said operators have to contact
ranchers, and BLM met with them to see if there was any conflict before putting
blades on the ground, to resolve problems before they start. He and others have been contacted several
times and that has solved some conflicts.
Leslie
said CFO is looking at getting industry and rancher representatives involved at
the beginning of the process to problem-solve and work together. She would welcome RAC help with that.
Linda
said the northwest NM model is working and is helping others set up such a
thing.
Lewis said while we’re looking at how individual operations
and ranchers are affected by the Endangered Species Act, if the county loses
tax base over this, it will get involved.
There has to be some way that county and state are not losing that tax
base.
Jim
said some counties tax livestock as property.
How do counties benefit from O&G development? The revenue goes to
Debora
said NM counties have a direct county tax based on the value of the product so
it’s a big boost. Crestina said all
counties in NM tax livestock.
Tony
closed the Public Comment Period at
Tony called the meeting to order at
He
said NM is a poor state and often government jobs provide the best pay, as well
as health insurance. He was meeting that
morning with CFO to go over a new line for a fire tower¾400-500 feet higher
to enhance communication capabilities.
Concerning ranching in a drought, BLM needs to look at what they allow a
rancher to do. His ranch is 2/3 deeded
and 1/3 federal and yet BLM controls how many animals he has there. He pays for the grass but is totally
controlled as to what he can do with it.
Because of the drought, mountain lions and coyotes have put him out of
the sheep business. The only thing left
is to put cows out there, even though they aren’t good for his ranch or the
watershed. He could put in a game ranch
or run half the cattle, but he needs BLM cooperation.
Ranchers,
not BLM, water, feed and provide minerals for deer. The ratio of bucks to does makes them welfare
animals. He’s looking at survival. Wells are 750 feet deep and drilling, pipe
and rods are expensive. His ranch
doesn’t generate enough money to support operating costs and three
employees. If BLM forces him to run cows
there it isn’t to anyone’s good. He
can’t afford to keep feeding the coyotes and mountain lions. We need to look at demonstration plots where
access is controlled, to figure out how people can make a living on the
land. It now costs about $30,000 a mile
plus materials to build a 7.5-foot game fence.
So regulations deny the opportunity to have a game ranch. Damaged areas along the river get worse with
cows than with sheep, but that’s the only choice he has. He would talk with the RAC or any BLM people
about other means of income.
Linda acknowledged Raye,
who had offered to host the RAC meeting in the MarBob offices. But it came to her attention that some people
were critical that RAC would meet in an O&G facility. She said the RAC talked at its last meeting
about unitization on Otero Mesa, and formed a working group under the Energy
Subcommittee. They received notice of
intent to sue from Earth Justice, which would have postponed the working
group’s first three meetings, so they decided it was in the best interest of
taxpayers to wait. Ed Roberson will be
the new Las Cruces FO Director, and will continue with the plan. She asked those who planned the field trip to
describe what would have been visited
Joe Lara of CFO said he and Raye looked at Bear Grass Draw,
sand dune lizard and lesser prairie chicken habitat, and well sites¾including a drilling
rig site¾to
show what BLM considers in an inspection.
Raye added that the oil locations near Bear Grass Draw had a disposal
well where water is being disposed at 9,000 feet. He planned a short course on how to assure
that there’s integrity in that process.
Next they planned to visit a central tank location to let O&G folks
speak about how facilities are set up and maintained. He wanted to address concerns about BLM's
inspection process. Jim Amos directs the
inspection program and would have been available to answer questions. Raye said it is a challenge to help the
public understand what is being planned for drilling on Otero Mesa. He distributed an article from the Albuquerque Journal about NM receiving
the 2nd largest return of federal O&G royalties¾$319 million.
(Attachment 2)
Linda mentioned that BLM and IRS are
the only two federal agencies that actually make money. Jim said he’d like to see an area that’s
recently been restored. Raye said there
are prairie chicken and lizard habitats on active sites with a recently closed
drilling pit. Things can be done to
enhance reclamation, and there are some site-specific things that industry may
buy into. On one site a company has
agreed to move caliche because of lizard habitat. It’s an evolving process.
Linda said RAC nominations are open to fill two
vacancies. Wayne Bingham declined, and
his alternate is being vetted in the
Max asked what percentage of wells
in the Artesia area were not in compliance.
He is concerned that groups get the wrong information out and the public
gets the wrong perception. In forestry,
a third-party verification process was formed to address that.
Raye said BLM demands that the
proper work be done down the hole, and there has been more emphasis in the last
few years on “idle” not-producing wells¾which may become problematic orphaned wells later. Generally, the longer things sit without
attention, the more problems arise. BLM
inspections identify violations and write them up, e.g., lack of site security
diagram filed with CFO. That doesn’t
mean there’s an environmental problem.
So if someone asks how many violations have been filed against O&G
companies, question whether those violations are endangering anything. Some of the work done on production
capability determines proper reporting and payment to government, yet is less
visible in write-ups.
Linda said Leslie is dealing with a
rancher complaint where BLM verified that there are numerous issues on his
allotment. The FO is getting the rancher
and operator together to talk about it.
Often the operator doesn’t know that contractors are doing damage. Those situations lead to assumptions that BLM
is not doing its job and that it’s impossible to have O&G operations that
are environmentally appropriate.
Max said public comments at the
Farmington RAC meeting were indicative of his belief that issues are blown out
of proportion. Linda said even if every
operator on Tweeti Blancett’s ranch was doing everything perfectly, O&G
operations would still be an annoyance, bring dust, and affect wildlife and
cattle. So it is problematic.
·
Sometimes
media has shown old photos of past wells and asked “What if this happens on
Otero Mesa?”
·
BLM continues
to get the O&G industry and ranchers together to work out conflicts.
·
It’s critical
to have OCD very involved with any meeting.
·
·
On private
land, the only watchdog is OCD. On
federal land, who calls the shots? The
O&G person applies to BLM but that application is sent to OCD for
review. Either may want changes. OCD on federal lands primarily focuses on
down-hole issues. On private land, there
is usually a surface agreement between landowner and company. On state land and grazing permits, O&G
companies apply to OCD. The State Land
Office does not generally do a site visit on an active O&G lease. First line of defense for a rancher using
state land therefore, would be OCD.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA & RAC MINUTES FROM
Tony
added as first order of business an Otero Mesa update.
Crestina moved and
Don seconded to approve the agenda with the addition. Motion approved.
November 2003 Minutes (Attachment 4)
Jim moved and
Crestina seconded to approve minutes of November 2003 as presented. Motion approved.
Tony
asked the RAC to recommend new members.
He hopes to have the process speeded up and new members approved so that
a quorum is present at meetings and business can be decided. Number of alternates depends on number of
applicants.
Tom
said BLM’s
Linda
said BLM would respectfully consider the governor’s comments and implement or
utilize whatever they can. BLM will not
reopen the planning process. NMBLM
received more than 2,000 comments, but not all fit the guidelines. They have to be substantive comments from
organizations that have participated at some point in the planning
process. As of February 25, there were about
12 valid protests, including three from the state—which submitted comments
throughout the process.
·
Will this be
business as usual, or is water contamination, road width, etc. restricted? BLM is minimizing disturbance on roads and
pads with unitization¾based on one operator who works with BLM on a plan of
development for surface disturbance of no more than 5%.
·
Raye said this
is certainly not business as usual, and that Governor Richardson’s
recommendations might cause more disturbance than BLM plans. However, Meade thought the Governor’s
recommendations might help state land restrictions.
·
What if there
was a well about half a mile from a fence and the operator left the gate open
and livestock could escape? If that was
federal land it would be a compliance issue and the rancher should go to BLM.
·
When operators
lose a well they’re out of there, but ranchers will be there for generations to
come. Water may become as valuable as
oil and gas, and we want to be sure it’s protected. Is there any guarantee that water quality and
quantity will not be affected? Ed
Roberson said BLM works to assure water protection. They look at zones producing fresh water and
do everything possible to minimize impact, and are taking extra precautions
with Otero Mesa plans.
·
Raye said some
operators drill with air. It’s a
lower-cost option, and has several benefits.
·
The 5%
stipulation was applied to Otero Mesa overall.
Jim said he disagrees that this is tough for the industry. At 32 acres per section, with 8 wells per
section over a large area, it would be easy to double that to 16 wells and stay
within the 5% stipulation. This is a
stalking horse.
·
Linda said
BLM’s plan covers a little more than 2 million acres with about 140 wells that
may be developed. Analysis foresees a
maximum of 84 wells that would be profitable.
This would not be a Permian-basin-type development. BLM staff thinks it has developed a
responsible plan and no one knows whether there will be claimable resources. It is a wildcat area, but BLM has done a good
job developing an environmental plan. Linda said she told Governor Richardson that
they might need to agree to disagree.
·
Tony pointed
out the map of Otero Mesa in packets and on the wall.
Las Cruces FO
Jan Hurley said LCFO has about 20 access issues. Urban interface, recreation, hunting and
changing ownership are problems. There’s
conflict between traditional and new attitudes and uses. Cooke’s Peak, north of Deming in
Tony said he would work with LCFO during subcommittee time
to get more information.
Leslie
said there are ongoing issues with too much access by hunters, and emerging
issues with off-road use.
Socorro
FO
Kate pointed out areas she had highlighted on a map in RAC
members’ packets. There is a lot of
development on private land surrounded by public land. Problems include new roads that provide
access for cattle to wander. The Catron
County Commission passed a resolution to close a county road previously open
and officially designated. As
development continues, BLM will face further legal implications. Reserve has a new museum and is planning
improvements to attract tourists.
John asked whether amending subdivision regulations would
help. Kate said that is critical. The FO is working closely with
Ed Singleton said the Majors Ranch and John Hand got both
county commissions and Acoma Pueblo involved to reopen the contested road. It is still a problem that long-term ranchers
sell and new owners don’t understand traditional usage so lock the gates.
Ed Roberson said there are the same
kinds of issues in
FFO
access to Thomas Canyon Special Use Area is through private land. The area is used for fuel wood gathering and
mule deer hunting. FFO is working with
the estate on a land exchange, but the heirs don’t all agree. There is some danger of blockage if that
tract changes hands.
Question/Answer/Comment
·
Mining claims
in the Cerrillos Hills have been resolved.
The real issue is too-much access.
·
Tony
reiterated the need to come up with a RAC policy.
·
Some larger
parcels have been put into conservation easements. Do they develop their own access? Does BLM have to work through them? Linda said it depends on the reason an
easement was set up. Some are meant to
keep farmland from being converted to subdivisions. This is being discussed as a possible
solution for sand dune lizard and prairie chicken territory.
·
Lewis Derrick
said his organization hasn’t gotten as far as proposals for conservation
easements. They can be detrimental to
ranching operations, but some ranchers might look at a 10-year rather than
longer-term deal. If an agreement is
written right it can be done.
·
Crestina has a
conservation easement with the Taos Land Trust on her ranch. The wording was changed numerous times until
it reflected what she wanted. A lot
depends on whom you work with. She
donated the easement forever so development would be stopped. Wildlife and agriculture are addressed
specifically.
·
Kate said
Socorro FO is looking at land tenure adjustments, disposal, acquisition and
easements, and what staff positions need to be added—like realty specialist—to
address these problems.
Ed Roberson,
Helen Miller is RFO weed
coordinator. Salt cedar and Russian
olive are problems. Ed hopes for new
national legislation. Projects are
underway to address Russian knapweed, several thistles and African rue. When an area is cited, the FO takes a GPS
readout and loads it into the system to show exactly what is infested. They have an interagency cooperative
agreement to treat those areas. African
rue is believed to have come from TX on O&G trucks. Livestock won’t eat it unless there’s nothing
else. When they do consume it they
spread it. BLM aggressively treats in
fall with Arsenal, and then monitors.
Russian knapweed came through the 380 corridor east of the
Question/Answer/Comment
·
Is there a program for reseeding after removal of salt
cedar? There’s been no reseeding along
the river, because they think the seed is there and will sprout after the
drought. Concern along the
·
After reseeding 1,000 acres along the border, kochia came
back first, which they didn’t seed. Now
some of the seed used is appearing.
·
Washing pipeline trucks is done but not broadly required or
regulated. NM is behind neighboring
states in laws concerning weeds in hay or on trucks.
·
LCFO approval of drilling at Crow Flats required that
equipment brought in be cleaned.
·
RFO has twenty years of monitoring data and tracking
composition at study sites that is used in making decisions.
Steve Henke,
FFO
Steve said FFO’s Eddy Williams is a
godsend to the weed program in NM. His
focus is developing a cooperative agreement to address noxious weeds that calls
for inventory, monitoring, education and treatment. He formed a rapid response team with the
Cooperative Extension Service. When
infestation is discovered, there is a cooperative agreement to treat, tied to
13 road management units in the
·
Is Siberian elm a problem?
There’s a plan in place outside Tularosa to remove a large number of
Siberian elms.
Jan Gamby, Las
Cruces FO (Attachment 7)
Jan identified major problems with
primary target species: African rue,
Russian knapweed,
The 2003 budget includes a total of $87,000
for weed treatment. Accomplishments
include 1,500 acres sprayed, 1,600 evaluated (for past treatment practices and
sites), and 16,000 acres inventoried.
She outlined 2004 objectives in all six counties in the FO management
area, and addressed limitations. The FO
is seeking alternative funds, distributing staff workload, and building
partnerships. The challenge is to keep
collaborative efforts moving forward.
·
The main herbicide used is tebuthiuron and the primary
target is creosote bush. NMSU is testing
new chemicals and combining old ones, and has recommended mixes, rates, and how
and when to treat each species. The FO
lends equipment and provides chemicals to licensed permittees.
·
How is the general public being educated? The calendar is good but lacks
close-ups. There are booklets and
videos. Dr. Richard Lee was a key
player, holding short courses and conferences.
Frannie Miller, lead for NM, holds workshops in communities. There is a statewide multi-agency team. Newspaper inserts have been the broadest
help. PBS has programs but is not
reaching a large audience. Children are
being taught.
·
This educational role was traditionally addressed by
counties and agricultural organizations.
·
One-third of the work is done on non-federal land. Is BLM stepping into a vacuum? State and local agencies receive funding
applied 90% to private lands. BLM has been
a catalyst and leader in cooperative agreements to address the problem.
·
In noxious weed control and in fire fighting, all agencies
realize this needs to be a cooperative effort.
·
Joe said the Legislature passed a statute on noxious weeds
that might be a way to approach problems in some areas.
·
Nothing is done about weeds in hay. The highway department spreads hay along
roadways to stop weeds and then the weeds in the hay grow where it was
spread.
·
Ed Singleton recommended advocating for a NM weed-free hay
policy. Most Western states have weed
regulations.
Leslie Theiss,
She introduced Ray Keller, staff
coordinator for the noxious weeds program.
He said the FO has numerous partnerships, and showed a map of treatments
done in 2003. The FO has spray equipment
and chemicals they give to county and state road departments, S&WCDs and
other licensed entities. He attends an
annual meeting to discuss the prior year’s treatment and plans for the coming
year. The FO has an MOA with state,
federal and
Question/Answer/Comment
·
Water viability is not being checked specifically, but they
have not noticed any fish kill¾24c labeling allows them to go to the water’s edge.
· The FO and cooperators have chopped, chained and burned in numerous ways.